Whats the deal on these? What are they? When and Why do you use these? Just when I'm getting ready for wire I start reading all the stuff about copper. More decisions or more to buy.
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Don't know a whole lot about them , Wing Nut was talking about trying one , I will let him play with one for awhile and see what all the hype is about. I still think there are ways to use wire and super line that we over look or havn't realized.
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More to buy Greg. Copper wire is fished like leadcore. The major difference is that it sinks deeper with like amounts out. The only drawback I can see is you might not get the rise/fall action as pronounced as that of leadcore.
Jim...I Fish Therefore I Am
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dang - keep getting all these differnet rigs goign to have to get a 20 rocket launcher built instead of 16 - why would you use this instead of a thumper rig - were more weight equals more depth? Is it about being 200 yds. behind the boat?
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Being farther behind the boat and the rest of your spread is part of it I think. With a thumper you have a # ball between you and the fish, x ' ahead of the fish. This makes it a little harder to control the fish and a little less fun to fight it. Even though I don't think the rise and fall of copper will be as pronounced as with leadcore, I do think it will be more so than with a thumper. Many believe (myself included) that the effectiveness of leadcore is in the rise and fall, during turns, in the waves etc. An advantage of copper over a thumper is the ability to run it out on an inline board. Out there it's clear, a thumper down the chute is in peril of a fish off a rigger or dipsey getting into it and needs to be cleared. Another difference is that with a # ball your line is at a steeper angle down through the water which translates into more vibration and "hum". Some days that's good, other days not so good. One more possible difference is the qualities of copper itself as an element. I'm skeptical but some people believe that the copper itself will attract fish.
Don't feel like you have to run out there and buy every new (or in this case old) rig that comes out. A well rounded spread including riggers, dipseys, thumper and leadcore will catch fish under any situation. If you want to hold off a year I'll have a report on the copper line's performance.
Jim...I Fish Therefore I Am
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Jim , they have been running wire line for years with out a 1 pound lead ball , kind of old stuff like lead core is , no reason you couldn't run it off boards as well. I like to run my 1 pound rig 2 different ways , 1st is with a rudder and a stealth snubber back to attractor and off the bottom of the rudder I run a short 12 to 18 inch length of mono to the 1 pound ball. This set up gets it down and dirty and is the original Thumper rig , the other way I like to run it is clean wire to the attractor{ still with a snubber } and then using an Off-Shore snapper release , attacth 1 pound ball up about 40 or 50 feet from the lure , more stealthy this way and you get some of the rise and fall of the line. I have also run the wire out the back with a 2 or 3 ounce keel sinker but this hasn't been as productive for me as the Thumper or the snapper set up , and I'm not sure how deep I'm getting with this set up. Also going to try the dipsey rig I told you about on the long wire and see if I can make it work as well as the core. You try the copper , I'm going to keep experimenting with my 3 wire rigs.
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I don't see how placing the # ball farther up the wire changes anything as far as rise and fall. You still have a # of weight constantly pulling down on your rig. I run the thumper like the first one you described except I split ring the weight directly to the bottom hole on the snubber. Your way sounds better, with the weight on a dropper line the action of the dodger would be transmitted to the rod tip better.
Unless I win the lottery it's a moot point anyways. I'd need another mega reel, another roller rod and a big ol spool of copper. The way things are going I'll be lucky to make it til open water without pawning all my gear off.
Post edited by: wingnut, at: 2004/12/28 17:17
Jim...I Fish Therefore I Am
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Jim 1st thanks for the new site you led me to.one of the reasons I like to move that # ball up the line is to clear it when it is time to net.I got whacked with one and even with my hard head it hurt for a while,worse than the hook in the lip episode.One of the things I was thinking with the copper rigs is the increased depth over leadcore and the fact that 100' of copper will get down 22' and then away from the boat on a board makes me excited with the rainbow possibility's.We like that particular depth a lot.But being a tackle junkie I suppose its just another fix.
Post edited by: Coz, at: 2005/01/01 00:34
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ouch the lead ball to the head hurt more than a hook through the lip? dang I got hear the hook through the lip story, I can't imagine - how long did it take to land ya?
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Just finished tieng brand new gammy to leader friend calls on radio pick up mike with hook dangling hook swings up stuck in past barb.10 miles out 2 guys with were both squeamish.Had to push it through and one of them cut the barb off.Couldnt leave the slick as the bows were going big guns and we were pretty much out there by ourselves.
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Coz! Glad to see you here! Good point about the # ball. When left on the line with the fish in the boat that thing swings all over the place. I haven't gotten clunked yet but my boat does take a beating. Anyways it's nice to see more quality guys streaming in here all the time.
Jim...I Fish Therefore I Am
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After reading Keatings article on long lining wire have any of you guys tried to run wire off an inline board?One more thing to try to remember too try this summer.My notebook is turning into a library.
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Coz, I have longlined wire with simialar set ups , I use a keel sinker's most of the time and I also made up a few rigs with wire leader and 2 to 8 oz. of barrel sinkers on them and snap them on inline between the wire and the snubber . Have been very efective off from big planner boards but never run them off inline boards , no reason it shouldn't work. I havn't run the long line wire much recently as I run mostly lead core now. The one thing about the long line wire is it does sink faster than the lead core and I seemed to have a few more tangles with it than I do lead core with my divers on turns or a big fish on the diver. I liked it better straight out the back of the boat with about 6 oz. of weight on it as a susppended wire , simialar to runing my 1 pound balls setup but with less weight. Very good for big kings for me.
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Jim, I'm gonna give copper a try this summer also. My question is can you run it like a wire diver also?? If you could wouldn't your divers get way deeper?? If so i'm gonna have to have 2 copper setups on the boat this year. Also where can you get the copper?? How will that Okuma 55L work for this setup??
Curt
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Anyways it's nice to see more quality guys streaming in here all the time.