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t3pt6k 
 		  Port: Grand Haven, MI   11/14/2004 14:26
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hi my brother uses lead core but i just can't seem to get the just of it how many colors do you run out and how long a mono do you run and how many swivels . also what speed and how far down do you think your running . with a dipsey out to the side and possibly a down and out wouldn't the lures be running the same depth. thanks for the reply because this is great stuff to learn.

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Re:Using Lead Core
t3pt6k 
 		  Port: Grand Haven, MI   11/14/2004 14:46
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well lilceazar - those are really good questions. I will try to give an explanation of how I use leadcore and why I think it works.

First things first - I rig both full cores and half cores. Full cores being an entire 100 yd package of leadcare (10 colors) and half cores bein 5 colors or 50 yards. I have buddies that make 7 color cores, and 2 color cores. I for one haven't done that but it might be another excuse to buy some more reeels LOL.

I use high capacity reels - SHimano Tekota 700s (although blew out clcikers on two of those - need repair) and Penn 330s. I put on roughly 100 yds. of backing usually simliar test to the lead core - so for 27# lead core I use 25# Big Game. I then tie the core on using a modified surgeons knot - don't forget to remove 8 - 10 " of the core so you are tieing the mono directly to the leade cora sheathing. I then spool on the leade core - and then add about 50 feet of mono leader to the rig. Those are how I rig mine I'm sure others do it differently.

The number of these rigs is based on how much you can afford - I usually have 2 half cores - 2 full cores - plus maybe a back up (or two).

Rod combos - I like big long MH action rods maybe 9' - 9'6" rods - I use Shimano TDRs.

Running these setups are pretty easy - I use regaulr terminal tackle for these rigs so a 50# sampo swivel. I run everything from clean spoons, flasher/dodger fly combos, flasher/dodger spoon combos, and body baits. I rig it and let it out the back until the entire core is out - I then hookup my inline planer board to it (I use Church TX-12(?) or Walleye boards with modified attachments) and let them run out to the side. I usually will put the full cores on the outside board - the half cores inside of those.

As far as depth go - it certainly is a combination of trolling speed and what lure combos you have running - but my rule of thumb is basically:

fullcore 40 - 45 feet deep
half core 20 - 25 feet deep

Not sure if that is right - but that's the number I have in my head. I think these rigs work so well because the are so far back from the rest of your gear that they act as a additional opportunity for a fished that missed the main spread. Plus they are great at picking up fish holding higher in the water column - like steelhead. I'm sure others have opinions - that's mine for now

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Re:Using Lead Core
FLATRATE 
 		  Port: Manistee   11/14/2004 15:46
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I pretty much run the lead core set up as Greg said , but I run superline as a backer and fluocarbon leader but a little shorter , about 35 to 40 feet. I also run a 17 color and a double core and these two were more productive than the full cores this season . Another hot setup this year for me was the Secret Weapon Rig , two color of lead core on a rigger rod and then set in the rigger release. Runs about 10 feet deeper than the rigger and about 80 to 100 feet back from the weight. My normal spread would be a 1/2 core on the outside on an inline board , then a full core inside of that on an inline board and then a high diver and then a low diver with a normal rigger set up with a S.W.R. on one of them and then a 17 color or double core down the middle , seems to keep tangls to a min. and I can vary set ups pretty easy as conditions change. I do not let my boards release on my lead core , I use an Off Shore snapper release on the boards to keep them set in place. If I am fishing offshore steelhead then I don't run the lead core as much and go to high lines with 1/8 -1/4 ounce bead chain sinkers and they all have the same lead so I can reset lines easy and no tangles caused by varying lead lenghts from the boards. I will run a full core down the middle sometimes for steelhead if the fish seem a little deeper , but normally steelhead are all fished the top 35 /40 feet of water.
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Re:Using Lead Core
t3pt6k 
 		  Port: Grand Haven, MI   11/14/2004 19:02
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you get away from traffic enough to run double cores? I always wondered about guys running that far back you pretty much got to be on your own? And then having to crank in a double core - oh man!
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Re:Using Lead Core
FLATRATE 
 		  Port: Manistee   11/14/2004 19:13
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The big Shimmano cranks in something like 35 inches a crank , makes double core easier but still a lot of work and yes you need to stay out of boat traffic and be able to take evasive action if ness. but we caught a lot of fish on it this year.
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Re:Using Lead Core
h2ohazard 
 		  Port: Grand Haven, MI   11/14/2004 21:14
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A double core, makes my arms hurt just thinking about it. Don't be surprise if we all head to the other side of the boat when that line goes off!!

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Re:Using Lead Core
FLATRATE 
 		  Port: Manistee   11/14/2004 21:56
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The double core and 17 color are mainly used for tournaments , not a fun fishing tactic unless you have a rookie on board with a big mouth. Ussually it quiets them down a bit after having them reel in the double to change lures.

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Re:Using Lead Core
t3pt6k 
 		  Port: Grand Haven, MI   11/15/2004 10:23
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There's nothing like a lead core to humble someone - especially with a hawg on the other end. When we fish and a downrigger or dover goes off and it's a scramble to get the rod. The lead core goes off and you get alot of pointing saying "hey that lead core has a fish in" as everyone moves away from the rod.

I have a buddy in our marina who ws noce enough to take Whaler and I out fishing in his boat and he had some nasty old depthmasters that had some horrible small gear ratio for his lead core. Landing a fish on the lead was like landing a 500 lb. Marlin - as every crank got a milimeter of line in. BTW I gave him about 10 Daiwa 47LCs to get rebuilt so he had something decent ot use - atleast something with a real gear ratio.
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